[Foss-cafe] job sites don't work anymore ?

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At 08:18 -0300 4/4/04, Pupeno wrote about [Foss-cafe] job sites don't 
work anymore ?:

|What really amuses me is that I have so much success in an indepent job
|application and so little success in job-site job applications. So, are
|job-site's job postings real ? or bogus information to fill them with
|something ? What do you think about it ?

Welcome to the world of job hunters. Of course the job-site 
applications are for real. There is a LOT of unemployment in the 
world. I say world because a lot of techies submit applications 
internationally. The figures you mention are very common. 4000 - 5000 
applicants for a positions is average.

You can read all kinds of different articles on the net explaining 
how and what you should to to get on top of all those applications. 
Personally I use a company to write the cover letters and resume or 
cv. it takes away the stress and you're sure you're sending that 
cover letter aimed towards that position.

|Back to my posible job, the laws are stupid, I'm an Argentinian citizen, this
|job is in Spain, they (the spanish consul) will take two months to give me
|the job visa after they aproved... they may take any time they want to aprove
|it... let's be nice and add two weeks, I have to gather a lot of papers to
|present a job visa request, including my criminal records of all the places
|where I lived for the past 5 years... I think they take a month to give it to
|you (I once got it have my ham liscence), they also ask for a medical
|evaluation, let's be nice and supouse we can do it in that month wasted
|waiting for the criminal records.


Sorry but I disagree with you, the laws are not stupid they're there 
to protect the citizens of that country. You could easily be a 
terrorist or drugs smuggler who is trying to enter the country on a 
bogus job application visa.
2 months for processing an application? Really? I think it's totally 
unrealistic figure but if it's true, you're lucky. Applications for 
work visa's to the US take up 6 to 10 months to process. So stop 
complaining. No matter which country you want to work in you will 
come across this type of bureaucracy. Even we in Europe who want to 
work in Spain will have to go through the job permit application, 
although we can skip the residence permit.
As for the medical exam, most countries want to know if you're an HIV 
patient or not and a lot of immigration countries do not give you 
permission for a residency if you are. They will also check for other 
infectious diseases such as Tuberculoses.

|They need to fill the job ASAP,
|there's no way they are going to wait for me four monthes, so, I lost the job
|because of burocracy and not because of my qualifications.

Though, but they didn't ask for a employee from Argentina. if they 
would they will be prepared to wait till you have received your 
permit. They will even try to help you speed things up. But if they 
can get a Spanish evenly qualified worker they will go for him, which 
makes sense of course. A lot of EU countries have a law of own 
workers first. If the position can't be filled by a local than they 
are allowed to hire a foreigner. US has the same law.

| I really think the world is
|kinda upside down in some aspects, so much resources wasted. So much
|suffering generated, so much frontiers and limits invented. What do you
|think ?

I think a country has the right to protect the jobs for their 
citizens. How would you feel if all the jobs in your country would be 
filled with cheap labor employees? People who would work for low 
salaries because they send all their money to their home country 
where life is so much cheaper? That's what happened in the Silicon 
Valley for a while with all the Indian techies working there on a 
lower salary. Even though California has minimum wage laws. They 
would just accept a lower job title which didn't require a higher 
salary while the US worker invested in study and was waiting to land 
that job. So they are unemployed, needing Social benefits and are a 
strain on the US budget. While the money these low paid tech workers 
make is not spend in the US but send home to India/Pakistan .... fill 
in the blanks  Unfair isn't it?

A lot of countries are protecting these jobs by having a law that a 
company must give proof that they tried to hire local people but 
didn't succeed.

For years the tech workers in the US have asked to get the law 
changed and urge the president to lower the H1b visa's to the US so 
the tech workers could have more chance on a job. And so he did. But 
what happened was that all these corporation saw their cheap workers 
disappear and so they did something the tech workers not expected. 
They moved their companies to India, out-sourcing their labor. 
Out-sourcing is the keyword at the moment. So if you want to land a 
good tech job, check with the headhunters/recruiters in India, they 
have plenty to offer. Word is that big corporations are planning to 
move more labor abroad, this time to China where labor is even 
cheaper.

Also read:
Jobs abound in India's booming tech sector
http://www.forbes.com/work/newswire/2003/10/01/rtr1097228.html

US techies on India job hunt 
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/569179.cms

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For Indian jobs, try:

http://www.softwarejobsindia.com/itjobs.html

http://dir.123india.com/business_and_economy/companies/employment/

http://in.jobstreet.com/default.htm

http://technology.monsterindia.com/

http://www.jobsdb.com/IN/EN/V6/JS/JobSearch/JobSearch.asp?ChannelCode=ITC


good luck,

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