[CS-FSLUG] Recommended Start Server
Tyler Garland
tylerjgarland at gmail.com
Mon May 4 15:04:24 CDT 2009
Hello, I had a question as to which server system I should start out with? I
am wanting to just experiment with a server, but have shy a clue where to
start.
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> A friend tells it like it is!! (Fred A. Miller)
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> 3. Re: Fragmentation over non-critical matters wastes resources
> (Timothy Butler)
> 4. Re: Linux Today - Is desktop Linux too fragmented to succeed?
> A friend tells it like it is!! (Timothy Butler)
> 5. Re: Fragmentation over non-critical matters wastes resources
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> 6. Re: Linux Today - Is desktop Linux too fragmented to succeed?
> A friend tells it like it is!! (Eduardo S?nchez)
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> Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 20:17:46 -0400
> From: "Fred A. Miller" <fmiller at lightlink.com>
> Subject: Re: [CS-FSLUG] Linux Today - Is desktop Linux too fragmented
> to succeed? A friend tells it like it is!!
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> Timothy Butler wrote:
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> [snip]
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> > Oops, sorry, Fred. I thought that was an odd sentiment from you.
>
> No, it wouldn't be, but I was trying to tell you something without
> specifics.
>
> >>> It's more the bumps they'd run into if they kept using it, my
> >>> original list, that would scare them off. I think Linux is ready enough
> >>> for use under a system administrator in an office environment, though.
> >>
> >> Of course, it has been for sometime as I've been doing it for sometime.
> >> ;) SuSE, of course.
> >
> > I took note because I had never gotten a positive reaction from
> > Linux before. In fact, the same user had used the old Mandrake 9/KDE 3
> > system this new one replaced and always complained. When Ubuntu popped
> > up with its nice little tribal-themed startup sound, attractive
> > wallpaper and tasteful window manager effects...
> >
> > Quite encouraging.
>
> Good! There's a LOT more happy users out there than you think.
>
> Fred
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> Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 20:37:10 -0400
> From: Karl Kleinpaste <karl at kleinpaste.org>
> Subject: Re: [CS-FSLUG] Fragmentation over non-critical matters wastes
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> Timothy Butler <tbutler at ofb.biz> writes:
> > my point is that it would bring Linux development much closer to Mac
> > OS X development.
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> I for one do not regard MacOSX parity as an asymptote toward which to
> strive. If I wanted a Mac, I'd buy a Mac.
>
> If the goal was simply to clone Mac behavior, that would represent the
> acquisition of typically small Mac market share. I would rather
> implement something new and interesting enough to take away an
> equivalent percentage of Windows market share, which is a heck of a lot
> larger user population.
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> Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 19:41:25 -0500
> From: Timothy Butler <tbutler at ofb.biz>
> Subject: Re: [CS-FSLUG] Fragmentation over non-critical matters wastes
> resources
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> On May 3, 2009, at 7:37 PM, Karl Kleinpaste wrote:
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> > Timothy Butler <tbutler at ofb.biz> writes:
> >> my point is that it would bring Linux development much closer to Mac
> >> OS X development.
> >
> > I for one do not regard MacOSX parity as an asymptote toward which to
> > strive. If I wanted a Mac, I'd buy a Mac.
>
> No, what I'm thinking of more than cloning a Mac is gaining Mac
> software. You have a lot of independent developers on the Mac that
> would be far more open minded towards porting their wares to Linux if
> they could easily do so. You have even more people who are getting
> their first taste of development via Object C/Cocoa. If those
> developers like what they learn, and have a good place to take it to...
>
> I would note that trying to clone what is good about the Mac is
> probably worthwhile though, since it garners near universal praise.
> Not to compete with the Mac, but rather to catch those people who ooh
> and aah over it, but want a $300 netbook or a $1,000 tower rather than
> a $999 laptop or a $2,200 workstation.
>
> -Tim
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 20:45:57 -0500
> From: Timothy Butler <tbutler at ofb.biz>
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> >> like with some fit and finish it could be far more interesting than
> >> GNOME or KDE.
> >
> > I'll go with pushing Haiku, if only because the GUI is vastly
> > superior to X. I'm praying the Haiku folks can come up with a
> > functional ACPI framework for suspend modes, and a strong driver set
> > for wifi. That's about all it would take for me to switch.
>
> I'm not sure why one of the big OEMs doesn't dump some money into
> Haiku to finish it up. For the amount HP spent on its skin for its
> netbook Linux, for example, they perhaps could have had a entirely
> unique OS to call its own. (And, since it would be paying for the
> drivers, for at least awhile, the OS would naturally favor its own
> hardware.)
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> -Tim
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> Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 08:23:39 +0200
> From: Jon Glass <jonglass at usa.net>
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> On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 2:41 AM, Timothy Butler <tbutler at ofb.biz> wrote:
> > but rather to catch those people who ooh and aah over it, but want a $300
> > netbook or a $1,000 tower rather than a $999 laptop or a $2,200
> workstation.
> >
> Those people go the Hackintosh route.... ;-)
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 07:51:32 -0400
> From: Eduardo S?nchez <lists at sombragris.org>
> Subject: Re: [CS-FSLUG] Linux Today - Is desktop Linux too fragmented
> to succeed? A friend tells it like it is!!
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> I must run to work, but I would like to point out this:
>
> On Sunday 03 May 2009 16.08.15 Timothy Butler wrote:
>
> > KDE needs two things, I think, to be what it really should be
> > (because it has always been technologically sound): stable and
> > simple.
> >
> > Stable in this sense: In 10 years, KDE has broken binary
> > compatibility 3 times. GNOME and Mac OS have broken it once, and both
> > with sufficient ease of running older library side-by-side that few
> > people noticed it. Windows has not fully broken it ever. KDE ought to
> > commit to insuring ABI integrity for 10 years -- even if it means
> > eventually having multiple versions of the libraries, so long as one
> > configuration tool can manage all of them. With Qt now LGPL'ed,
> > businesses might consider it -- rather than their traditional
> > preference for GNOME -- but they'll want assurance that KDE is
> > serious about business first.
>
> It's perfectly doable, and I don't think it's much of KDE's business.
> Right now I can run KDE3 and KDE4 apps simultaneously because Slackware
> provides a KDE3 compatibility layer (with selected libraries, and so
> on). This comes at the cost that right now I am not able to compile KDE3
> stuff on this machine (only KDE4 stuff). But the point is that binary
> compatibility *can* be done in a matter of something as simple as
> installing packages, and even an undermanned, underpowered and simple
> distro can do that in a very simple way. Why the Fedoras and Ubuntus of
> the world can't, then?
>
> >
> > Simple in this sense: even if you do provide massive
> configurability
> > to the user, it should be hidden in advanced dialog boxes. The basic
> > configuration boxes should be simple enough that a novice can feel
> > confident changing basic settings without reading a manual.
>
> I think systemsettings does the job quite nicely.
>
> Blessings,
>
> Eduardo
>
> --
> Eduardo Sanchez, B. Th.
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