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1. Re: Linux Today - Is desktop Linux too fragmented to succeed?<br>
A friend tells it like it is!! (Fred A. Miller)<br>
2. Re: Fragmentation over non-critical matters wastes resources<br>
(Karl Kleinpaste)<br>
3. Re: Fragmentation over non-critical matters wastes resources<br>
(Timothy Butler)<br>
4. Re: Linux Today - Is desktop Linux too fragmented to succeed?<br>
A friend tells it like it is!! (Timothy Butler)<br>
5. Re: Fragmentation over non-critical matters wastes resources<br>
(Jon Glass)<br>
6. Re: Linux Today - Is desktop Linux too fragmented to succeed?<br>
A friend tells it like it is!! (Eduardo S?nchez)<br>
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Message: 1<br>
Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 20:17:46 -0400<br>
From: "Fred A. Miller" <<a href="mailto:fmiller@lightlink.com">fmiller@lightlink.com</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [CS-FSLUG] Linux Today - Is desktop Linux too fragmented<br>
to succeed? A friend tells it like it is!!<br>
To: "A Christian virtual Free Software and Linux Users Group."<br>
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Timothy Butler wrote:<br>
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> Oops, sorry, Fred. I thought that was an odd sentiment from you.<br>
<br>
No, it wouldn't be, but I was trying to tell you something without<br>
specifics.<br>
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>>> It's more the bumps they'd run into if they kept using it, my<br>
>>> original list, that would scare them off. I think Linux is ready enough<br>
>>> for use under a system administrator in an office environment, though.<br>
>><br>
>> Of course, it has been for sometime as I've been doing it for sometime.<br>
>> ;) SuSE, of course.<br>
><br>
> I took note because I had never gotten a positive reaction from<br>
> Linux before. In fact, the same user had used the old Mandrake 9/KDE 3<br>
> system this new one replaced and always complained. When Ubuntu popped<br>
> up with its nice little tribal-themed startup sound, attractive<br>
> wallpaper and tasteful window manager effects...<br>
><br>
> Quite encouraging.<br>
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Good! There's a LOT more happy users out there than you think.<br>
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Fred<br>
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--<br>
Gun-toting Americans are clearly more self-sufficient than the sissy<br>
Europeans. This is great news for everyone except Barney Frank, who's<br>
always secretly wondered what it would be like to be taken by a Somali<br>
pirate.<br>
--Ann Coulter<br>
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Message: 2<br>
Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 20:37:10 -0400<br>
From: Karl Kleinpaste <<a href="mailto:karl@kleinpaste.org">karl@kleinpaste.org</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [CS-FSLUG] Fragmentation over non-critical matters wastes<br>
resources<br>
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Timothy Butler <<a href="mailto:tbutler@ofb.biz">tbutler@ofb.biz</a>> writes:<br>
> my point is that it would bring Linux development much closer to Mac<br>
> OS X development.<br>
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I for one do not regard MacOSX parity as an asymptote toward which to<br>
strive. If I wanted a Mac, I'd buy a Mac.<br>
<br>
If the goal was simply to clone Mac behavior, that would represent the<br>
acquisition of typically small Mac market share. I would rather<br>
implement something new and interesting enough to take away an<br>
equivalent percentage of Windows market share, which is a heck of a lot<br>
larger user population.<br>
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Message: 3<br>
Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 19:41:25 -0500<br>
From: Timothy Butler <<a href="mailto:tbutler@ofb.biz">tbutler@ofb.biz</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [CS-FSLUG] Fragmentation over non-critical matters wastes<br>
resources<br>
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On May 3, 2009, at 7:37 PM, Karl Kleinpaste wrote:<br>
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> Timothy Butler <<a href="mailto:tbutler@ofb.biz">tbutler@ofb.biz</a>> writes:<br>
>> my point is that it would bring Linux development much closer to Mac<br>
>> OS X development.<br>
><br>
> I for one do not regard MacOSX parity as an asymptote toward which to<br>
> strive. If I wanted a Mac, I'd buy a Mac.<br>
<br>
No, what I'm thinking of more than cloning a Mac is gaining Mac<br>
software. You have a lot of independent developers on the Mac that<br>
would be far more open minded towards porting their wares to Linux if<br>
they could easily do so. You have even more people who are getting<br>
their first taste of development via Object C/Cocoa. If those<br>
developers like what they learn, and have a good place to take it to...<br>
<br>
I would note that trying to clone what is good about the Mac is<br>
probably worthwhile though, since it garners near universal praise.<br>
Not to compete with the Mac, but rather to catch those people who ooh<br>
and aah over it, but want a $300 netbook or a $1,000 tower rather than<br>
a $999 laptop or a $2,200 workstation.<br>
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-Tim<br>
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Message: 4<br>
Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 20:45:57 -0500<br>
From: Timothy Butler <<a href="mailto:tbutler@ofb.biz">tbutler@ofb.biz</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [CS-FSLUG] Linux Today - Is desktop Linux too fragmented<br>
to succeed? A friend tells it like it is!!<br>
To: "A Christian virtual Free Software and Linux Users Group."<br>
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>> like with some fit and finish it could be far more interesting than<br>
>> GNOME or KDE.<br>
><br>
> I'll go with pushing Haiku, if only because the GUI is vastly<br>
> superior to X. I'm praying the Haiku folks can come up with a<br>
> functional ACPI framework for suspend modes, and a strong driver set<br>
> for wifi. That's about all it would take for me to switch.<br>
<br>
I'm not sure why one of the big OEMs doesn't dump some money into<br>
Haiku to finish it up. For the amount HP spent on its skin for its<br>
netbook Linux, for example, they perhaps could have had a entirely<br>
unique OS to call its own. (And, since it would be paying for the<br>
drivers, for at least awhile, the OS would naturally favor its own<br>
hardware.)<br>
<br>
-Tim<br>
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Message: 5<br>
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 08:23:39 +0200<br>
From: Jon Glass <<a href="mailto:jonglass@usa.net">jonglass@usa.net</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [CS-FSLUG] Fragmentation over non-critical matters wastes<br>
resources<br>
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On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 2:41 AM, Timothy Butler <<a href="mailto:tbutler@ofb.biz">tbutler@ofb.biz</a>> wrote:<br>
> but rather to catch those people who ooh and aah over it, but want a $300<br>
> netbook or a $1,000 tower rather than a $999 laptop or a $2,200 workstation.<br>
><br>
Those people go the Hackintosh route.... ;-)<br>
<br>
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Message: 6<br>
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 07:51:32 -0400<br>
From: Eduardo S?nchez <<a href="mailto:lists@sombragris.org">lists@sombragris.org</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [CS-FSLUG] Linux Today - Is desktop Linux too fragmented<br>
to succeed? A friend tells it like it is!!<br>
To: "A Christian virtual Free Software and Linux Users Group."<br>
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I must run to work, but I would like to point out this:<br>
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On Sunday 03 May 2009 16.08.15 Timothy Butler wrote:<br>
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> KDE needs two things, I think, to be what it really should be<br>
> (because it has always been technologically sound): stable and<br>
> simple.<br>
><br>
> Stable in this sense: In 10 years, KDE has broken binary<br>
> compatibility 3 times. GNOME and Mac OS have broken it once, and both<br>
> with sufficient ease of running older library side-by-side that few<br>
> people noticed it. Windows has not fully broken it ever. KDE ought to<br>
> commit to insuring ABI integrity for 10 years -- even if it means<br>
> eventually having multiple versions of the libraries, so long as one<br>
> configuration tool can manage all of them. With Qt now LGPL'ed,<br>
> businesses might consider it -- rather than their traditional<br>
> preference for GNOME -- but they'll want assurance that KDE is<br>
> serious about business first.<br>
<br>
It's perfectly doable, and I don't think it's much of KDE's business.<br>
Right now I can run KDE3 and KDE4 apps simultaneously because Slackware<br>
provides a KDE3 compatibility layer (with selected libraries, and so<br>
on). This comes at the cost that right now I am not able to compile KDE3<br>
stuff on this machine (only KDE4 stuff). But the point is that binary<br>
compatibility *can* be done in a matter of something as simple as<br>
installing packages, and even an undermanned, underpowered and simple<br>
distro can do that in a very simple way. Why the Fedoras and Ubuntus of<br>
the world can't, then?<br>
<br>
><br>
> Simple in this sense: even if you do provide massive configurability<br>
> to the user, it should be hidden in advanced dialog boxes. The basic<br>
> configuration boxes should be simple enough that a novice can feel<br>
> confident changing basic settings without reading a manual.<br>
<br>
I think systemsettings does the job quite nicely.<br>
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Blessings,<br>
<br>
Eduardo<br>
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Eduardo Sanchez, B. Th.<br>
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