[CS-FSLUG] [PD] The American Flag - I'm speechless...

[EnzoAeneas]

I saw the email that started this thread last year, and researched it
then. I found it to be false.
I agree that no person in the political arena that does not outrightly
name the the name of Christ as his Lord and Saviour can even be
thought to be doing GOD's work in office, but I believe that it harms
our testimony when we engage in ANY manner of spreading propaganda,
negative witness (we cannot always determine that it is false
witness), or other personal assaults against anyone, because that is
tantamount to declaring judgement on people when we are not in anyway
better or more righteous than anyone.

Rom 3:10	As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

Christ counsels us to look at our own condition before criticizing the
condition of others:

Mat 7:3	And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye,
but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt
thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye;
and, behold, a beam [is] in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast
out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to
cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

He goes on to warn of associating or allowing anyone to associate that
which is not holy with GOD:

Mat 7:6	Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye
your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and
turn again and rend you.

We have seen the Republican party do this numerous times, nationally
and locally, and while we should no more judge them for their faults
as we would our own brothers and sisters in Christ, we should have
righteous indignation when any politician or party attempts to
question the salvation or/witness of another, no matter how veiled.

I am ashamed to say that I have seen some of the most ill-begotten,
slanderous, false, and even worse, down-right irresponsible allusions,
insinuations, allegations, and statements that I have seen in a long
time, come from the McCain campaign during this election and while I
am in no way endorsing Barak Obama, I do have have to call into
question whether one can support or endorse one whose poor judgment
and consequently leadership have prevented him from definitively
stamping ouch such hatred, racism, or at the very least false-witness,
which damages his testimony and strains his relationship with GOD,
just to win an election? Can anyone believe that it is so important
that they attain leadership that they are willing to sin against GOD
to do it? David, who was prophesied to be king, did not resort to sin
to take the throne promised him. And Saul had been delivered into his
hands: he could have killed him, he could have shamed him, but he did
not; he let GOD bring him the blessing that he had promised.
Friends, my point is, that we should be doing GOD's work, leading lost
souls to Christ that may receive salvation that only he can give, not
participating in the political. It is our CIVIL duty to vote, but not
to engage in that which only glorifies men, not our GOD. Discussion on
issues is necessary, but when it comes to men, their opinion or their
words is not what defines them, but their testimony.

--Kevin James

On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 11:30 AM, Legatus <lists at runyanrants.net> wrote:
> 2008/10/20 Raphaël Pinson <raphink at gmail.com>:
>> As for the flag... I am not an American and I can tell you that Mr Obama is
>> right when he says that the American flag is not associated with peace. It
>> is sad, but it is true.
>>
>> I for one am also ashamed of my own anthem (the French one, which is very
>> violent) and would like it to be changed. It has nothing to do whatsoever
>> with Jesus or the Bible in my opinion.
>
> Our anthems reference to bombs is one of the bombs being tossed in our
> general direction, and how when it was done, our flag still stood. It
> was an alliteration of the fact, our heart was not lost and we fought
> on to finish fighting for freedom.
>
> I also take exception to the idea that violence is somehow
> automatically offensive to Christians. The Bible does not portray a
> pacifist God. It does not portray a weak Jesus. It portrays a God who
> sent his people to fight. It portrays a Jesus who did not fight to
> protect hist own skin, he did chase the money lenders out of the
> temple while throwing over tables. I doubt those money lenders(notice
> plural) stood buy placidly while Jesus kicked them out of his "House".
>
> Peace between nations is not a Christian goal. Neither is warfare for
> that matter. Christianity at its core is about saving souls,
> individual souls. All the concerns over politics and nations or
> kingdoms are mostly human. The nation of Israel was despised in the
> Bible by its neighbors. God never told them to go play nice and make
> them friends. As a matter of fact, he often told them to do the
> opposite.  I am not saying war is a good thing, I'm just saying that
> the assumption that it is bad is contra-Biblical.
>
> --
> JD Runyan
>
>
> Bob Hope  - "A James Cagney love scene is one where he lets the other guy live."
>
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