[CS-FSLUG] 3 Eternal Destinies not 2

[Keli of Coxsackie]

sorry.. please read my email at the time 10:51AM

thanks,
Michael Markuson (aka Keli)
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Stephen J. McCracken wrote:
> Keli of Coxsackie wrote:
>   
>> 2 distinct groups.. One heard the gospel and one did not.. One can
>> only be declared HOLY on the basis of his blood! As for the Nations
>> read Revelations.. OR check out the website or pdf I referenced..
>>     
>
> Ok, I took a quick look at the pdf and scanned through some parts.  I
> don't see where you get this part:
>
>   
>> 	The Righteous
>>
>>      All people are born
>> righteous. God is righteous,
>> and every person is created in
>> His image. This is where a person
>> begins: innocent and pure.
>> Although all people are born with
>> a tendency to sin, they are also
>> born with a conscience and the
>> ability to obey it. This takes an act
>> of the will. It takes determined
>> effort.
>>     
>
> Personally, I don't see how someone can be born righteous and at the
> same time have a tendency to sin.  The conscience is a condemning force
> showing us when we do wrong, but by then we are already on the sinful
> side of the equation.
>
> Also, how does this mesh with Romans 3:9-12?
>
>   
>> Romans 3:9-12 ESV  What then? Are we Jews any better off? No, not at
>> all. For we have already charged that all, both Jews and Greeks, are
>> under sin,  [10]  as it is written: "None is righteous, no, not one;
>> [11]  no one understands; no one seeks for God.  [12]  All have
>> turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good,
>> not even one."
>>     
>
> Here is says that "None is righteous, no, not one" and your pamphlet
> says that everyone is born righteous?  Which is it, everyone is born
> righteous or that no-one is righteous?
>
> Also, I don't see how it meshes with 1 John 2:23-29:
>
>   
>> 1 John 2:23-29 ESV  No one who denies the Son has the Father. Whoever
>> confesses the Son has the Father also.  [24]  Let what you heard from
>> the beginning abide in you. If what you heard from the beginning
>> abides in you, then you too will abide in the Son and in the Father.
>> [25]  And this is the promise that he made to us--eternal life.  [26]
>> I write these things to you about those who are trying to deceive
>> you.  [27]  But the anointing that you received from him abides in
>> you, and you have no need that anyone should teach you. But as his
>> anointing teaches you about everything, and is true, and is no
>> lie--just as it has taught you, abide in him.  [28]  And now, little
>> children, abide in him, so that when he appears we may have
>> confidence and not shrink from him in shame at his coming.  [29]  If
>> you know that he is righteous, you may be sure that everyone who
>> practices righteousness has been born of him.
>>     
>
> Here it seems to me to say in verse 29 that the only ones who practice
> righteousness are ones born of "him" (the Son, Jesus).  How do you see
> that there might be others that are righteous when the Bible says that
> the only ones who practice righteousness are the ones born of Jesus?
>
> Please enlighten me.
>
> sjm
>   
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