[CS-FSLUG] American Experience: Alfred Kinsey

[Alvin Smith]

On Tuesday 15 February 2005 11:31 am, john-thomas richards wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 11:09:52AM -0500, Ritchie, Josiah wrote:
> [snip]
>
> > In contrast to Fred's statement (I believe this debate was waged a year
> > or more ago... But for completeness); God calls us to share the gospel,
> > not morality. Morality is a response to God.
>
> I agree.  We are to be about disciple-making, not
> moral-but-going-to-hell-people-making.
>

And this begins within our own homes.

> > In short, we share the Gospel that God might convert them. After that,
> > we worry about the discipleship process.
>
> Not to start a flamefest, argument, tantrum, dispute, or anything
> similar, but is there a difference between preaching/conversion and
> disciple-making?  In the Greek of the Great Commission, the verb Jesus
> used is "make disciples".  This is to be done *while* going, teaching,
> and baptizing.  The Greek indicates the command is not to go or to teach
> or to baptize but to do those things while making disciples.
> Nonetheless, I completely agree that our job is not to create a moral
> and yet lost society.  Apart from Jesus even Mother Theresa is going to
> hell (I am not making any claims about her salvation...).

Making disciples is is actually making "learners", which is an *ongoing* 
process.  Becoming "born again" is an event, the spiritual aspect.  But the 
salvation of the soul (the mind, will, and emotions) is an ongoing process 
that is initiated by the Holy Spirit and is perpetuated by Him though 
disciplers.

I said all of that to say that making disciples or becoming a disciple is not 
an event.

I hope I understood the question, and answered it clearly.

-- 
peace,
Alvin Smith
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