[CS-FSLUG] indoctrination, was Re: Microsoft Technology Mandated in GA Colleges?

[Yama Ploskonka]

:-) Exactly my thought today when I was at church, this quote could be 
adapted to our environs.

I could say my pastor is one of the most honest pastors I have been 
blessed with, and he's trying his best to get us to have faith. Yet, the 
whole /church/ thing is /so/ fake, despite his best efforts, mostly 
because of the church-ey baggage that is pretty much unavoidable in a 
well established congregation.
Yet, this pastor does try, and I enormously respect that. He's the only 
one I have heard from the pulpit dare say that tithing is not 
Bible-mandated. Guts! (and good Scripture interpretation IMHO)  (my 
apologies to anyone who see this matter differently - you are entitled 
to your opinion, just here agreeing with David on the benefits of own 
Bible-studying)

Yama

so, let me try, out of academic curiosity,

"Ideally, what should be said to every church-goer, repeatedly, throughout his
or her church life is something like this: 'You are in the process of
being indoctrinated. We have not yet created a system of church that
is not a system of indoctrination. We are sorry, but it is the best we
can do. What you are being taught here is an amalgam of current
prejudice and the choices of this particular church or denomination. The slightest look
at history will show how impermanent these must be. You are being taught
by people who have been able to accommodate themselves to a regime of
theology laid down by their predecessors. It is a self-perpetuating
system. Those of you who are more robust and individual than others will
be encouraged to leave and find ways of finding Christ yourself --- educating
your own faith. Those that stay must remember, always, and all the
time, that they are being moulded and patterned to fit into the narrow
and particular needs of this particular church or denomination."

I suspect Mrs. Lessing might not be pleased...

On 01/06/2013 02:35 PM, davidm at hisfeet.net wrote:
> What you have said about schools, brother could as well be said about
> churches.  There is great danger (to the 'old gaurd') in teaching anyone
> to think for themselves, and do their own research or Bible study.  They
> will almost always come out with ideas and opinions that are likely to be
> opposed by the current regime.  Of course they will anyway, even changing
> the native language from generation to generation,not to speak of music,
> art, inventions, felt needs and interpersonal relationships.
>
> But, if we have any capacity for original thought, we ought to be
> encouraging it in our children. The changes that otherwise result are all
> negative. At least if they can think for themselves, they might be able to
> avoid some of the negative consequences of 'discipleship'.
>
> To often we are disciples of the wrong leaders. True liberty is to be
> found in being a disciple of Christ.
>
> Disciple=learner, or pupil.
>
>
>> I just came across this quotation, which happens to be quite pertinent>
>>
>> Doris Lessing's/The Golden Notebook/:
>>
>> "Ideally, what should be said to every child, repeatedly, throughout his
>> or her school life is something like this: 'You are in the process of
>> being indoctrinated. We have not yet evolved a system of education that
>> is not a system of indoctrination. We are sorry, but it is the best we
>> can do. What you are being taught here is an amalgam of current
>> prejudice and the choices of this particular culture. The slightest look
>> at history will show how impermanent these must be. You are being taught
>> by people who have been able to accommodate themselves to a regime of
>> thought laid down by their predecessors. It is a self-perpetuating
>> system. Those of you who are more robust and individual than others will
>> be encouraged to leave and find ways of educating yourself --- educating
>> your own judgements. Those that stay must remember, always, and all the
>> time, that they are being moulded and patterned to fit into the narrow
>> and particular needs of this particular society."
>>
>> point is, what centers of education should be, and what they are, is not
>> the same, by far.
>>
>> That is what it is, and we tolerate it because we cannot figure anything
>> better.
>>
>> BTW, do y-all know of any Christian school that uses Linux? I don't.
>> Besides y'all (and an uncle), all my linuxy acquaintances and buds are
>> unbelievers.
>>
>> BTW, it happens everywhere. In South America, education decision makers
>> are offered "training" trips to Miami, M$ paid. (used to be to Redmond,
>> but I guess they figured Miami gets the allegiance purchased for less)
>>
>>
>> On 01/05/2013 05:11 PM, Fred A. Miller wrote:
>>> Microsoft is buying loyalty, the Apple way, by indoctrinating
>>> students in classrooms in Georgia.
>>>
>>> Microsoft gives "free" software to college students in Georgia,
>>> and Microsoft products are used and taught in the University,
>>> thus continuing a cycle.
>>>
>>> It is the same technique used by drug dealers.  Here is Microsoft's
>>> spin: http://www.rgerhart.com/uploads/8/3/2/1/8321687/georgia.pdf
>>>
>>> Where else is this happening & why is it tolerated?
>>>
>>> Centers of education should be centers of diversity - not closed-shops
>>> for the commercial promotion of proprietary products.
>>>
>>> LibreOffice http://www.libreoffice.org/ and Moodle https://moodle.org/
>>> are free and meet most educational needs.
>>>
>>> Taking this fiscal and organizational short-cut is not in the best
>>> interest
>>>
>>> of students.  Shame on the Georgia Board of Regents.
>>> --
>>> List(s) of made in the USA:
>>> http://www.devvy.com/made_inthe_usa.htmlHenry
>>>
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