[CS-FSLUG] Everything Everywhere Everywhen

[Jason P. Franklin]

George,

In short, I agree with you.  I'm not sure, though, what you mean by "Surely, God knows nothing about tomorrow - but truly He knows tomorrow."

I'm also unclear on what your introduction paragraph had to do with the body of your post.  It seemed as if you were bringing up one point, or setting the stage for one type of discussion only to present something completely different.  I don't wish to hijack this thread so perhaps creating a different thread for the "straw-man discussion" would be a good idea.  

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On Dec 23, 2009, at 11:15 PM, George Rodier wrote:

> In my youth it seemed to me that teachers and preachers often put up
> what I termed straw-men, i.e., a caricature of the idea and person to
> whom they were opposed, and so easily dispatched them - case won. Please
> do correct me if what I am about to present is just such a straw-man.
> 
> In said youth I was taught that, for many, predestination and election
> were necessary because of God's foreknowledge. The argument being that
> if He knows all about the future then it must happen just as He knows it
> will - else His foreknowledge would be faulty.
> 
> I do not believe I am inconsistent with the Bible when I say that God is
> omnipresent. And I am not confusing the creation with the creator for
> 'in Him we live and move and have our being'. Indeed I believe that God
> knows everything that is happening everywhere right now because He is
> there. God is not bound by space. Everywhere to God is for Him simply
> 'here'. For Him everywhere is everhere.
> 
> Likewise I believe He is not bound by time. With the Lord a thousand
> years is like a day and a day like a thousand years. I take that to be a
> poetic expression of His not being bound by time. Did He not also say,
> 'Before the world was, I am'? Is not everywhen to God simply 'now'? For
> Him everywhen is evernow.
> 
> So, if His present omniscience is due to his omnipresence, is not also
> His perfect foreknowledge? In other words He is not only present
> everywhere but likewise everywhen. God knows what you are going to
> think, decide and do tomorrow because he is already there as you think,
> decide and do. His is a foreknowledge by experience. He 'knows' what you
> are doing tomorrow and that does not obviate your free will.
> 
> Surely, God knows nothing about tomorrow - but truly He knows tomorrow.
> It's the difference in French betwixt 'savoir' and 'connaitre'. Sadly,
> in English we are limited to a single verb. But we do make a distinction
> between knowing about a woman and knowing a woman, eh?
> 
> What say you, brothers, is God bound by time and space?
> 
> And, yes, in the Incarnation He chose to be bound by both so to be with
> us.
> 
> For us, 'absent from the body, present with the Lord', no time for
> pergatory, no time. All who die get to the Last Judgement at the same no
> time.
> 
> Hopefully this OT is seen simply an Other Topic rather than being
> totally Off Topic.
> 
> Respectfully,
> 
> Georges
> 
> 
> 
> 
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