[CS-FSLUG] God vs. Science

Sun Dec 16 14:20:37 CST 2007

I don't know about that.  If you knew some of the people I know, who obviously 
do not use the brain the Good Lord gave them, you might actually wonder if, 
indeed, it really is obvious that they have brains.  And, isn't that really 
the student's point?

Don

On Sunday 16 December 2007 07:30, John Mark Clayton wrote:
> I enjoyed these.  However, I'd like to see a better argument that the
> "sensory perception
> of the brain."  It's obvious that a living person has a brain.  Ideas?
> Mark
>
> On Dec 16, 2007 1:05 AM,  <veritosproject at gmail.com> wrote:
> > This version has a slightly more entertaining ending:
> > http://www.zootle.net/afda/religion-vs-science.shtml
> >
> > On Dec 14, 2007 10:03 PM, David McGlone <d.mcglone at att.net> wrote:
> > > A science professor begins his school year with a lecture to the
> > > students, "Let me explain the problem science has with religion." The
> > > atheist professor of philosophy pauses before his class and then asks
> > > one of his new students to stand.
> > >
> > > "You're a Christian, aren't you, son?"
> > >
> > > "Yes sir," the student says.
> > >
> > > "So you believe in God?"
> > >
> > > "Absolutely."
> > >
> > > "Is God good?"
> > >
> > > "Sure! God's good."
> > >
> > > "Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?"
> > >
> > > "Yes."
> > >
> > > "Are you good or evil?"
> > >
> > > "The Bible says I'm evil."
> > >
> > > The professor grins knowingly. "Aha! The Bible!" He considers for a
> > > moment. "Here's one for you. Let's say there's a sick person over here
> > > and you can cure him. You can do it. Would you help him? Would you
> > > try?"
> > >
> > > "Yes sir, I would."
> > >
> > > "So you're good...!"
> > >
> > > "I wouldn't say that."
> > >
> > > "But why not say that? You'd help a sick and maimed person if you
> > > could. Most of us would if we could. But God doesn't."
> > >
> > > The student does not answer, so the professor continues. "He doesn't,
> > > does he? My brother was a Christian who died of cancer, even though he
> > > prayed to Jesus to heal him. How is this Jesus good? Hmmm? Can you
> > > answer that one?"
> > >
> > > The student remains silent.
> > >
> > > "No, you can't, can you?" the professor says. He takes a sip of water
> > > from a glass on his desk to give the student time to relax.
> > >
> > > "Let's start again, young fella. Is God good?"
> > >
> > > "Er...yes," the student says.
> > >
> > > "Is Satan good?"
> > >
> > > The student doesn't hesitate on this one. "No."
> > >
> > > "Then where does Satan come from?"
> > >
> > > The student falters. "From God"
> > >
> > > "That's right. God made Satan, didn't he? Tell me, son. Is there evil
> > > in this world?"
> > >
> > > "Yes, sir."
> > >
> > > "Evil's everywhere, isn't it? And God did make everything, correct?"
> > >
> > > "Yes."
> > >
> > > "So who created evil?" The professor continued, "If God created
> > > everything, then God created evil, since evil exists, and according to
> > > the principle that our works define who we are, then God is evil."
> > >
> > > Again, the student has no answer. "Is there sickness? Immorality?
> > > Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things, do they exist in this
> > > world?"
> > >
> > > The student squirms on his feet. "Yes."
> > >
> > > "So who created them?"
> > >
> > > The student does not answer again, so the professor repeats his
> > > question. "Who created them?" There is still no answer. Suddenly the
> > > lecturer breaks away to pace in front of the classroom. The class is
> > > mesmerized. "Tell me," he continues onto another student. "Do you
> > > believe in Jesus Christ, son?"
> > >
> > > The student's voice betrays him and cracks. "Yes, professor, I do."
> > >
> > > The old man stops pacing. "Science says you have five senses you use to
> > > identify and observe the world around you. Have you ever seen Jesus?"
> > >
> > > "No sir. I've never seen Him."
> > >
> > > "Then tell us if you've ever heard your Jesus?"
> > >
> > > "No, sir, I have not."
> > >
> > > "Have you ever felt your Jesus, tasted your Jesus or smelt your Jesus?
> > > Have you ever had any sensory perception of Jesus Christ, or God for
> > > that matter?"
> > >
> > > "No, sir, I'm afraid I haven't."
> > >
> > > "Yet you still believe in him?"
> > >
> > > "Yes."
> > >
> > > "According to the rules of empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol,
> > > science says your God doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?"
> > >
> > > "Nothing," the student replies. "I only have my faith."
> > >
> > > "Yes, faith," the professor repeats. "And that is the problem science
> > > has with God. There is no evidence, only faith."
> > >
> > > The student stands quietly for a moment, before asking a question of
> > > His own. "Professor, is there such thing as heat?"
> > >
> > > "Yes," the professor replies. "There's heat."
> > >
> > > "And is there such a thing as cold?"
> > >
> > > "Yes, son, there's cold too."
> > >
> > > "No sir, there isn't."
> > >
> > > The professor turns to face the student, obviously interested. The room
> > > suddenly becomes very quiet. The student begins to explain. "You can
> > > have lots of heat, even more heat, super-heat, mega-heat, unlimited
> > > heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat, but we don't have anything
> > > called 'cold'. We can hit up to 458 degrees below zero, which is no
> > > heat, but we can't go any further after that. There is no such thing as
> > > cold; otherwise we would be able to go colder than the lowest -458
> > > degrees."
> > >
> > > "Every body or object is susceptible to study when it has or transmits
> > > energy, and heat is what makes a body or matter have or transmit
> > > energy. Absolute zero (-458 F) is the total absence of heat. You see,
> > > sir, cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of heat. We
> > > cannot measure cold. Heat we can measure in thermal units because heat
> > > is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of
> > > it."
> > >
> > > Silence across the room. A pen drops somewhere in the classroom,
> > > sounding like a hammer.
> > >
> > > "What about darkness, professor. Is there such a thing as darkness?"
> > >
> > > "Yes," the professor replies without hesitation. "What is night if it
> > > isn't darkness?"
> > >
> > > "You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is not something; it is the absence
> > > of something. You can have low light, normal light, bright light,
> > > flashing light, but if you have no light constantly you have nothing
> > > and it's called darkness, isn't it? That's the meaning we use to define
> > > the word."
> > >
> > > "In reality, darkness isn't. If it were, you would be able to make
> > > darkness darker, wouldn't you?"
> > >
> > > The professor begins to smile at the student in front of him. This will
> > > be a good semester. "So what point are you making, young man?"
> > >
> > > "Yes, professor. My point is, your philosophical premise is flawed to
> > > start with, and so your conclusion must also be flawed."
> > >
> > > The professor's face cannot hide his surprise this time. "Flawed? Can
> > > you explain how?"
> > >
> > > "You are working on the premise of duality," the student explains. "You
> > > argue that there is life and then there's death; a good God and a bad
> > > God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something
> > > we can measure. Sir, science can't even explain a thought."
> > >
> > > "It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully
> > > understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be
> > > ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing.
> > > Death is not the opposite of life, just the absence of it."
> > >
> > > "Now tell me, professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved
> > > from a monkey?"
> > >
> > > "If you are referring to the natural evolutionary process, young man,
> > > yes, of course I do."
> > >
> > > "Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes, sir?"
> > >
> > > The professor begins to shake his head, still smiling, as he realizes
> > > where the argument is going. A very good semester, indeed.
> > >
> > > "Since no one has ever observed the process of evolution at work and
> > > cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor, are you
> > > not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you now not a scientist, but a
> > > preacher?"
> > >
> > > The class is in uproar. The student remains silent until the commotion
> > > has subsided.
> > >
> > > "To continue the point you were making earlier to the other student,
> > > let me give you an example of what I mean."
> > >
> > > The student looks around the room. "Is there anyone in the class who
> > > has ever seen the professor's brain?" The class breaks out into
> > > laughter.
> > >
> > > "Is there anyone here who has ever heard the professor's brain, felt
> > > the professor's brain, touched or smelt the professor's brain? No one
> > > appears to have done so. So, according to the established rules of
> > > empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that you have no
> > > brain, with all due respect, sir."
> > >
> > > "So if science says you have no brain, how can we trust your lectures,
> > > sir?"
> > >
> > > Now the room is silent. The professor just stares at the student, his
> > > face unreadable.
> > >
> > > Finally, after what seems an eternity, the old man answers. "I guess
> > > you'll have to take them on faith."
> > >
> > > "Now, you accept that there is faith, and, in fact, faith exists with
> > > life," the student continues. "Now, sir, is there such a thing as
> > > evil?"
> > >
> > > Now uncertain, the professor responds, "Of course, there is. We see it
> > > everyday. It is in the daily example of man's inhumanity to man. It is
> > > in the multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the world. These
> > > manifestations are nothing else but evil."
> > >
> > > To this the student replied, "Evil does not exist sir, or at least it
> > > does not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It is
> > > just like darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe
> > > the absence of God. God did not create evil. Evil is the result of what
> > > happens when man does not have God's love present in his heart. It's
> > > like the cold that comes when there is no heat or the darkness that
> > > comes when there is no light."
> > >
> > > The professor sat down.
> > > v
> > > --
> > > David M.
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