[CS-FSLUG] To God be the Glory (re: Do Ex-Gays Exist?)
Aaron Lehmann
lehmanap at lehmanap.dyndns.org
Thu May 12 18:55:08 CDT 2005
On Thu, May 12, 2005 at 05:53:34PM +0100, 'Mash wrote:
> >Word to that, I think. Are you saying that it would be alright for a
> >person to be homosexual if he were "born gay"? Or not? I'm not sure of
> >the thrust of this paragraph.
>
> What I am saying is that I believe in the genetics of homosexuality
> in till proven otherwise, and that being so called "born gay" is not a sin,
> but concerning Gods word the act of homosexual intercourse or similar
> sexual acts are. I know it sounds contradictory to say that but,
> genetically you may be born with the attraction to the same sex.
> You are one gender physically by maybe not 100% that gender hormonally,
> chromosomally etc.
>
> This is where I get stuck between whether being gay is a sin or not.
> If it is a genetic trait you have been given then by merely "being" you cannot
> be sinning. If the act of homosexuality is a sin, then by "being"
> is not so much a sin but that of living in constant temptation.
> This is a hard one, as I could not imagine having to fight my own physical
> predisposition because it is a sin before God to give into it.
Well, people are born with a predisposition toward alcoholism, etc.
They still have to deal with it. It's not fair, but it is life.
> We have very little knowledge about homosexuality that I know of,
> and I think that is because of the social implications that research could
> create. I believe in the word of God concerning the act of homosexuality,
> and that it is fornication and not Godly. But I refuse to judge someone because
> of their "homosexuality."
>
> BUT?
>
> Is being gay attributed to the act of homosexuality or the
> inward desire for homosexual activity?
I don't believe the Bible speaks about the subject of being gay, but
about homosexual acts. Possibly I'm wrong.
>
> That is the question isn't it...
>
> Is by being homosexual because of your genetic make up and having the
> disposition towards the same sex, which gives you homosexual mental
> desire, make you a sinner?
>
> If the act of homosexuality is a sin, then is not entertaining those
> acts in your mind a sin too?
I ccasionally see a pretty girl. I can, in those situations, entertain
lewd thoughts about her, which is sinful, or I can give god praise for
making this woman attractive.
>
> Do you then have to fight the mind, fight the body because it is not
> a reflection of the soul. You are not your flesh, and your flesh has
> sinned against God in contruction within the womb.
> By "being" you will have to fight your flesh each day of your
> life because of "genetic sin"
Aren't genetics changeable? Don't particular lifestyles change one's
DNA? I ask this question because I know that there are people far more
learned about biology and biochemistry on the list than I.
>
> Maybe that is then the answer then, "genetic sin."
>
> We already know we are born into sin, is this not then a
> dramatic physical manifestation of that very truth ?
There's another word for this "genetic sin" you speak of. It is
"curse."
Aaron Lehmann
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