[CS-FSLUG] Am I Democrat or Republican?

[Clawman]

Indeed sir,

>Here is one thing I debate with myself about abortion:
>
>Q. If abortion were illegal, what is going to happen?
>A. Mothers are going to have their own abortions anyway, in an alley, 
>unsterile place or wherever they can think of. So really in my mind it 
>doesn't matter if abortion is illegal or legal it's going to happen, and in 
>the case of illegal abortion the scenarios are much worse. 
>  
>
My opinion is this.  If you are going to do something immoral and 
illegal, it should
be dangerous.  Let there be consequences.  Don't take away the 
consequences or
more people will do it.  This is a moral stand. Don't let those 
completely made
up statistic from the Roe vs Wade case persuade you (as I can see in you 
case
the propaganda has worked effectively).  Those statistics were made up 
(Roe admitted it).

Here is how it works.  It is called the "Big Lie".  First tell people a big
lie over and over again.  When the people finally hear the truth, they don't
care anymore.  Thus in the case of gay marriage, the ACLU's position is,
"let them get used to it" and they'll win (because people won't care 
anymore).

So, that's why christian organizations need to keep the controversy 
alive and
keep society from "accepting" a lie ... err ... a liberal fact.  Once 
the foot is
in the door there is no closing it again in this generation. 


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>Well since I brought this issue to the table, I am having second thoughts 
>about it, because I completly forgot that all those people who have a lot of 
>money do a very large amount of tax write offs and get that money back at the 
>end of the year. so even though they are paying more, they are getting it 
>back anyhow.
>  
>
The top 20% pay 90% of the taxes.  It is indeed a circle:  Buy one 
company, that new
revenue enables you to buy more companies, and so on until you own most of
everything.  But we must remember, with rare exception, that it isn't 
just a daddy
warbucks up there with all the cash, there are corporate boards, 
executives,
managers, supervisors, project managers (like my dad), salesmen, 
manufacturers,
accountants and more.  So a corporation is indeed a corporation.

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>My answer still stands with this issue as long as the prayer is tailored to 
>fit any religion and not just christianity. The reason I say this is because 
>the USA was founded on religious freedom, people flocked here to escape 
>religious persecution of their own country and I believe this has contributed 
>to the USA being the worlds superpower, because everyone can put their issues 
>aside to fight for the USA in order to protect their freedom to choose. 
>  
>

Here is where we disagree, my friendly victim of propagnda.  Christian's 
flocked here
to escape partison fighting, which was plaguing Europe (i.e. state 
religions).  That was
what was meant in the Constitution: it was referring to denominations, 
not religions
(except perhaps in the case of deists and jews to some extent).  But it 
was all the same
God, and this God has made us great, not our inclusivenes, but our 
character in
Christ (do you live in Europe?).

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>This makes me and say, the muslim down the road have a very strong similarity 
>that brings us together and respect each other because we both know without 
>each others help, we wouldn't have the right to choose our faith.
>
>Did anyone ever stop to think, there are thousands if not more soldiers over 
>in Iraq right now who are of different faiths fighting for this country as 
>was in the first gulf war.
>
>So I can honestly say that the Jewish guy or muslim guy over there right now 
>is fighting not only for his own freedom, but for ours too.
>  
>

True, but if they die, hell awaits them.  I pray alot for their 
salvation should this day
be their last.

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> <>I don't believe in abortion unless the mothers life is in danger. I 
> look at
> this as a liberal position for the that child, not for the mother. 
> That child
> has every right to live as does the mother.


Good for you, sir!  The baby is a person.

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>
>This is one thing that really burnt me up about Bush and the election. He just 
>couldn't stress enough that he was Christian. I think he did this only 
>because he knows that the majority of the USA is Christian and it was all 
>about winning the votes. in other words, it was "all about Bush" and not 
>about what was the best interest of our country.
>
>Article 6, Clause 3 of the united states constitution states "no religious 
>Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust 
>under the United States."
>
>Which transulates to me as no religion should be considered or even brought up 
>in politics, but Bush used his first admendment right to stress his religious 
>stance to get the votes from like parties because he knew the majority of the 
>US is made up of Christians.
>  
>
You know that you can't serve in Congress as an atheist, right?  Most 
states have the
same requirement.  What the law says these days is, you have to be 
religious to be
in office, but you can't bring that religion with you.  And being a 
Christian is important
to me, and I'm glad for a bad Christian in office rather than an open 
Unitarian.  The basis of
their motivation can be summed up in their religious conviction.  You 
watch way too much
T.V. man, or do you visit liberal sites like "seeyabush"?  Don't go 
unitarian on us.  It's all
about love, and without Christ, it can never last.