[CS-FSLUG] More on the NAR

[Mark Clayton]

I find all this both intellectually interesting and personally sad. I had a
bunch of friends that are being influenced by some people that teach very
similar things to what I read the NAR and others teach (but no one will
actually admit it). It's been a huge burden on me for a couple of years. My
friends won't talk to me anymore because "I don't get the truth". Also there
are two couples that were in my bible studies that have kids sucked into
this movement. It's so hard to talk sense because they're response is that
"I'd see it is true if I only had more of the spirit." I just want to tell
them that it is from a spirit, just not the one they think it is. Anyhow, I
pray for these people often and feel that's the best I can do right now.

Thanks,
Mark
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On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 06:52, Ed Hurst <ehurst at soulkiln.org> wrote:

> Any time folks get excited about living their faith, it gets me excited,
> too. How could things go wrong in His Name? Church History is loaded with
> examples of things about which we are now embarrassed, stuff over which
> people plastered God's name. Recently Fred posted a link to an article
> warning about the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR). I've been watching it for
> a long time.
>
> I have no beef with charismatics; I have no problem with trying to find
> ways to bring holiness to this earth. That's how we reveal the Savior who
> died for the sins of this world. As previously noted, I have a very big
> problem with the notion God intends to use politics to bring any sort of
> redemption. Christians are still fallen humans, and Jesus Himself avoided
> the politics of His own followers. Paul and the other Apostles warned long
> after the Ascension not to go down that path. That's why I've had
> reservations with Dominionism. But combine some of the excesses of both
> Dominionism and Neo-Pentecostalism and you get a very dangerous movement,
> indeed.
>
> You can research the term "Joel's Army" and it should provide references
> which would be shocking to most of us on this list. For those who don't have
> time to research the whole sad saga of where it came from, here is one of
> the best summaries I've seen in a long time:
>
>   http://www.correntewire.com/**rick_warrens_connections_**joels_army<http://www.correntewire.com/rick_warrens_connections_joels_army>
>
> It's long. It names names and connects people. Decide for yourself if the
> connections are significant or incidental, as the author does have an ax to
> grind. However, as I've been following this movement, I very much agree the
> idea much of it started with New Ager Rifkin, along with a handful of others
> who have offered a pagan influence which was absorbed by a few early leaders
> of some threads in the Charismatic renewal, and continued inroads along the
> way since then. All truth is God's truth, but I see direct conflicts with
> the Bible in some of this.
>
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