[CS-FSLUG] OT: PC(USA) okay with 'gay' clergy

[Timothy Butler]

On May 14, 2011, at 3:53 PM, Fred A. Miller wrote:

> There are many unsaved who love people well. I can't help but use an example of Rick Warren and his "touchy feely" don't mention specific sins, in fact even in general too many times or the collection plate won't be full theology....among other theology wrongs. But, they love people well. :-$ 

Yes, I think the church should mention sins. I have my issues with Warren. I'm not thinking this is an either/or, but it often ends up being one. It is our natural tendency to worry more about the other guys than ourselves. Log, meet speck. ;-) 

The PCA considered condemning the PC(USA) as apostate, but ultimately decided that there is a lot of good still going on in the PC(USA) -- too much for such a view. I think amongst those who opposed such a decision, there is also a recognition of our own failures as a denomination.

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>> A moderate PC(USA) pastor and a very liberal Episcopalian seminarian came to help me while Evangelicals scratched their head and tried to figure out if they could blame me (and the others) for what the pastor did. It really brings the Good Samaritan to life. Who loves mercy, defends justice and walks humbly with their God, as Micah talked about?
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> Few. I'd wonder about the motivation of the Episcopalian.....might have been properly motivated and maybe not. 

	So far as I can tell, it was virtuous. He does enjoy a good debate, though. I've since ended up in a Bible study that he is in, so I've gotten to know him better. (Incidentally, it has been a very helpful sort of ecumenical Bible study: we're 4/9 conservative, 1/3 on the fence and 2/9 liberal, but with enough respect for each other that we have very constructive dialogue.)

	-Tim