[CS-FSLUG] [PD] THIS WILL CHANGE YOUR RETIREMENT

[EnzoAeneas]

Yeah I ramble too much. My girlfriend tells me that quite a bit.

--kevin james

On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 6:18 PM, EnzoAeneas <enzoaeneas at gmail.com> wrote:
> OK. Just off the top of my head -- Is there such a thing as too
> charitable? I can see where charity is given without wisdom, it can be
> detrimental, but I do not know if we can every be too charitable.
>
> But that is irrelevant to the topic. Without evidence or viable
> consequences stemming from suspected actions, one should not lay
> accusations. That being said, Obama is supposed to be in charge of his
> campaign, so he is responsible for what it produces or affects. But if
> "people are worshipping this man", the root problem is not that they
> worship him, but that they worship ANY man. Were it not him, it would
> be someone or something else. If his motives are truly altruistic -  I
> chose that word specifically - then the onus is on both him and those,
> like us, who recognize this to address the falsehood of these people's
> worship or idolatry. That was way too wordy, but hopefully you get to
> what I mean.
>
> I absolutely agree with you about the fact that no one can hold him to
> promises he makes during his campaign, but there will be consequences
> if he does not make a "good faith" attempt at it. Remember George H.W.
> Bush? Read my lips. No new taxes. That came back to bite him. Of
> course, that's not saying that Obama couldn't Wag The Dog, and
> distract people or blame Congress for his lack of progress. Any
> elected candidate can and many have done the same. Political parties
> have done this as well, across the world. So am I, myself as a Sinner,
> supposed to hold the possibility that a man might sin against him?
> It's absurd, it is a certainty that he will. It's also a certainty
> that no matter who is elected, they will not accomplish everything
> that they set out to accomplish.
>
> But what I think you and many others are talking about is malicious
> intent. That he intends to deceive, that somehow he is lying more than
> the other guy or girl. That is a very serious accusation.
>
> We can use his decision not to use public funding when he said that he
> would as evidence that he has gone back on what he said that he would
> do, but Obama would counter that and say that people should not be
> denied their right to participate in the political process as they see
> fit, so long as it is not contributing to corruption or breaking the
> law. That is something held onto by people in both, yea even all,
> political parties. Though, I tend to agree that candidates should be
> restricted to public funding, but we all no that it won't stop the
> mud-slinging, robocalls, disingenuous mailers, and all of the other
> ills of the political process. It just attempts to lessen the
> influence of large contributors and lobbyists.
>
> To me, and this is my opinion, predicting what will happen during his
> presidency is foolish, because not only are we not omniscient, but it
> denies the influence and transforming power of our Lord. ANYONE, can
> be changed by GOD. In our leaders, we may prefer that they be heading
> in the proper direction at the time they are elected, but is that a
> prerequisite for someone to be used in GOD's plan?
> I mean I understand the fear, I have the same one myself:
>
> Matthew 15:14   ... they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind
> lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.
>
> We've seen too much of that already. But I cannot see, not casting
> both in the same light, equating them as politicians, and then basing
> your decision on the bible. Making a villain of one versus the other
> clouds or prevents the necessary objectivity when choosing leaders as
> we have been so greatly blessed to have the privilege. And I don't
> think that objectivity is counter to faith.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Jon Glass <jonglass at usa.net> wrote:
>> On Thu, Oct 30, 2008 at 6:32 PM, EnzoAeneas <enzoaeneas at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Obama's lack of action on this contributes a problem that we all
>>> already struggle with: putting other gods (little 'g') before GOD.
>>
>> Obama???? You are talking mr. cynicism himself! He is the person
>> behind it all!!!! Don't even think for a moment he's not behind it.
>> Listen to his speeches. They do something to give his voice a
>> "god-like" quality. You are being far too kind to this man. BTW, he's
>> now talking about his taxes not touching people who make under a
>> hundred thousand, or 150 grand, or two hundred grand.... He's changing
>> it constantly--and what did I say the other day. It matters not one
>> whit what he says today--it will have no bearing on what he actually
>> does or attempts to do. Don't be surprised to see him take your 401K
>> either at this point. He's bad news--can't even call him a liar! He is
>> more teflon than any before him. And you see, it doesn't matter what
>> he says, because he's the messiah, and he will do what he wants, and
>> people will go along with it. I have some audio of somebody asking
>> some Obama supporters if they like him because of his politics or
>> because of who he is. They all say for his policies, but agree with
>> his pro-life stance, and for picking Sarah Palin for his running mate.
>> Trust me, people are worshipping this man--just watch the network
>> news, man. The media is panting over him! You are being way to
>> charitable to him.
>>
>>
>> --
>>  -Jon Glass
>> Krakow, Poland
>> <jonglass at usa.net>
>>
>> "I don't believe in philosophies. I believe in fundamentals." --Jack Nicklaus
>>
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