[CS-FSLUG] Senator Obama RIDICULING the Holy Bible and Words of Jesus

[Jon Glass]

On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 7:03 PM, Davo Smith
<christiansource at davosmith.co.uk> wrote:

> I agree with you fully that there are a great many countries doing
> incredible evil around the world, but my question is what has military
> intervention done to improve these situations?
>
> Iraq - a terrible dictatorship in charge of a relatively stable
> country (which was a great threat to its own people and to a lesser
> extent some of the surrounding nations), is now in complete anarchy a
> fertile training ground for terrorists and a cause (however misguided)
> for the 'West vs Muslims' to rally around (despite Iraq being a
> secular dictatorship).

A few thoughts. First of all, I read some articles from the early 50s,
about the situation in Germany post-WWII. Guess what. It sounded just
like Iraq a couple years ago--complaints about anarchy, lack of
infrastructure, etc. Just like you cannot build a new house without
tearing down the original first, you cannot rebuild a nation like Iraq
without first seeing some "destruction." Yes, it's horrible, but we
must remember that the people there--much like in Germany, are
responsible for their own situation--although, in Iraq, our failure
after the first war to support an attempted coup added immensely to
their misery, for which we must bear the blame.

Second thought. Muslims _already_ had this hatred towards the
West--rember 9/11? That was before Iraq (although, we cannot ignore
the fact that US occupation of Saudi Arabia after the first Iraqi war
was a large part of what turned Bin Laden against his former allies,
the US--but then again, Iraq invaded Kuwait, not us Iraq). In any
case, there is nothing short of converting to Islam that will cause
these people to stop hating the West, and to turn "peaceful." All that
exist are pretenses--and any pretense will do, as I said in my
original email. You can't blame us/the west for these people--they are
who they are, and they wish to destroy western civ.

I had one more thought, but now I forget it--maybe something to do
with it taking time to "clean things up"--oh, that's it. I just read
today how people are tearing down walls built in the past few years
for protection in Bagdad, so law and order is coming back to
Iraq--just not as fast as we would like.

> I do not believe there are simple solutions to these problems, but the
> military options have only seemed to worsen the situations, not
> improve them. Whilst there are situations where armed responses are
> necessary, surely someone once said that our primary response should
> be to 'love our neighbour'.

I just answered part of that above... <blush> As to the "love our
neighbor", I would think that thousands of American soldiers
sacrificing their lives to keep Iraqis safe, and routing out
terrorists who are trying to killl--not Americans, but Iraqis--has
shown the Iraqi people that America does, in a genuine sense, love
them, and want their best. I'm sure that you, who has only limited
access to the main stream media, has not heard of the many stories of
sacrifice and labor on the part of Americans in rebuilding Iraq. Most
of what our soldiers are doing there is rebuilding, and almost no
shooting and killing--and I just recently saw a _HUGE_
re-commissioning ceremony that took place in Iraq, of soldiers who
re-signed to _stay_ in Iraq--not so they could kill, but help rebuild.
If that's not loving thy neighbor, what is? But again, I can hardly
blame you for the ignorance--the media only wants to portray the
soldiers as killers.

>> Beyond that, let's just ignore the simple fact that America, perceived
>> to be "sole" world power, and is in the sights of all jealous
>> megalomaniacs...
>
> Again, there is a great deal of truth in what you say, but also bear
> in mind that much animosity towards America stems from its attacks on
> other countries (however justified they might have been) and the
> immoral lifestyle promoted in its film and television exports.

I will most certainly grant you Hollywood. As a minister in Central
Europe, it is my _BIGGEST_ hurdle to overcome in reaching young
people. The evil that Hollywood has exported is enormous, and the
damage incalculable! And far worse than the perceived animosity from
its "attacks" on other countries... can we count those countries, btw?
Let's see..... Iraq.... any more? I don't think anybody except some
extreme muslims counts Afghanistan. Any others???

Kosovo? You mean the country that Europe was too cowardly to touch
themselves, so they twisted the arm of a politically-weakened Clinton
to do their dirty work? Sorry, but I don't count Kosovo--that was
Europe's baby.

> I do not say this to have a go at America, but just to explore the
> perceptions that much of the world has of the country.

I hate to say it, but I long ago gave up worrying what the 'world'
thought about the US. Do you listen to people who hate you? I didn't
think so. Is America perfect? Most definitely not. Does it try? Most
certainly--more than most countries, IMO. I also believe that
Americans tend to try to fix things they break--stick with it until
they get positive results--our biggest failure of the 20th century was
Vietnam. Did you know that _thousands_ of veterans returned and still
return to Vietnam to help in many ways? Do you know why? They feel
that they have a responsibility to that country, and their government
let the people down, that's why. How many European countries really
work to clean up the messes they left behind in their ex-colonies?
Britain, to the best of my knowledge, is the only one. And Britain is
to be commended, IMO. Oh! I just read to the end, and see you're a
Brit. ;-) Like Britain, the US is not perfect, but we need to do what
we can to do the best we can to help those who we must "uproot." And
this has been foreign policy with few exceptions. (And if, in the
remote chance Obama becomes pres, I do hope he continues this
tradition--but I have my doubts--another reason for him to not be
president--I don't think he even grasps the concept)

> Please do not take anything I have said as a personal attack, just
> observations from someone who gets to see news reports from a slightly
> different perspective (and who is also deeply disturbed by many of the
> actions of my own, British government).

Personally--and I hope you understand the spirit in which I say
this--I would tell you to find different news sources, because you are
getting a one-sided, socialist view point that has an agenda that is
only thinly veiled. It is apparent to me that you have not been told
the entire story re: Iraq, and if you have only the BBC, CNN intl. and
EuroNews, you are being horribly served. I watch(ed) them too, and I
never ceased to be amazed at the slanted news.


-- 
 -Jon Glass
Krakow, Poland
<jonglass at usa.net>

"I don't believe in philosophies. I believe in fundamentals." --Jack Nicklaus