[CS-FSLUG] TD: CS-BibleStudy: Hosea Chapter 1

[Nigel Ridley]

On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 14:40:31 -0500
Ed Hurst <softedges at tconline.net> wrote:

> Nigel Ridley wrote:
> > 31 "Behold, you will conceive in your womb, and bring forth a son,
> > and will call his name 'Jesus.' 32 He will be great, and will be
> > called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the
> > throne of his father, David, 33 and he will reign over the house of
> > Jacob forever. There will be no end to his kingdom."
> > 
> > Doesn't this, together with:
> > 
> > 6 Therefore, when they had come together, they asked him, "Lord, are
> > you now restoring the kingdom to Israel?
> > 7 He said to them, "It isn't for you to know times or seasons which
> > the Father has set within His own authority."
> > Acts 1:6-7
> > 
> > mean that the Israelite kingdom is yet to have it's fulfillment?
> 
> (Keep in mind, I have a tremendous difficulty memorizing addresses for
> 
> references -- it's not how my brain works. I'm hoping you'll recognize
> 
> the references.)
> 
> Not in my view. Paul says more than once that we in Christ are the 
> Israel of God. We are grafted in, after many branches were removed. 

Maybe that is the key to understanding the problem -- how many branches
were removed? Even if all but one were removed, the tree would still be
Jewish and alive. We were grafted into a living functioning Jewish tree
-- it never died.
The 'Israel of God' is not the Church but a part of the Church, made up
of those natural descendants of Abraham who have by faith, believed on
Messiah.
But like you say -- since you reject Dispensationalism.......

> In light of what Hosea and other prophets say about the Messianic
> Kingdom I'm pretty sure the message from the angel was about this New
> Israel. In reference to our previous conversation, I believe the
> Disciples were asking Jesus about those false Messianic Expectations
> about Israel keeping her old identity in the Kingdom, by ruling the
> world as a continuation of the Mosaic Covenant. At that point, they
> had not yet received the Holy Spirit's enlightenment, which was going
> to wash that silly stuff from their minds. We are of those who worship
> Him in Spirit and in Truth (John 4) because the place and DNA no
> longer matter. They were still thinking of the DNA and the location
> model.
> 
> Naturally, I haven't spent a lot of time on some of this, because the 
> question doesn't arise if you reject Dispensationalism to begin with. 
> I'm not the best authority on the apologetics of defeating that view.

It's OK -- were here to build one another up not defeat each other. So,
bless you my brother and may the Lord make His face to shine upon you
and give you peace!

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Blessings,

Nigel

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