[OFB Cafe] PD: Something to Fan the Flames... OFB Endorses Candidates

[Timothy Butler]

>
> The pro-life group is certainly not positive.  They're for potential
> life and against the lives of everyone else.

	Hardly, but it depends on how you define life. I dare say you are  
going to have a hard time defining when life begins, which is why we  
have this debate at all. You've met a few odd ball wacko pro-life  
Christians and assume everyone is like them.

> The historical catholic view is that life begins 40 days after
> conception.   The current catholic church has varying views depending
> on who in the church you ask. Many churches claim that life beings
> before conception and therefore doctors and hospitals should be
> prohibited from dispensing contraception. Others claim that life
> begins at viability.

	Aquinas did indeed suggest the 40 day idea back in his day. However,  
he also didn't really understand the process and was mostly just  
going with what Aristotle had to say on the matter. The Catholic  
Church is quite firm on the matter today, hence the opposition to  
SCNT as well. The claim by the Catholic church -- which I do not  
agree with, by the way -- that contraception should not be permitted  
is tied not to the beginning of life but rather the potential.  
However, that argument bleeds into the other one, as it does apply to  
contraceptives that do not prevent fertilization but rather prevent  
the fertilized egg from continuing its progress.

> I'm sorry, but you've got the democratic party confused with some
> socialists.  The democrats are authoritarian capitalists, just like
> the republicans.

	And you've confused normal pro-lifers with hateful, vengeful nut  
jobs. Again, stereotypes are stupid. Let's talk  about real people  
instead.

>>>  With Huckabee as
>>> president and people's reproductive rights firmly within the control
>>> of the federal government, we'll start to see these nutballs move
>>> onto
>>> their next goal; mandatory daily baptist church attendance and the
>>> forced conversion of all non-members.
>>
>> 	Yup. That's why I'm supporting him as a Presbyterian.
>
>
> It's obvious that your capacity for rational thought, as a
> presbyterian, is at the same level as my dog.  Who you support doesn't
> matter.

	Hey, you have a cute dog. I'll take that as a compliment. Girls  
would probably like me better if I looked like your dog too.
>
> You've seen too many movies.  I support human cloning in reality.  You
> are against the human cloning that you saw in "the sixth day."

	No. I think I did see that movie -- ah, yes I did -- but that isn't  
what I'm talking about. The process for embryonic stem cell research  
and full cloning is precisely the same. Dolly was cloned by SCNT.  
Now, personally, I don't like them refining that process. It has  
nothing to do with "the Sixth Day" and everything to do with the  
reality that I think you few would dispute we are headed towards  
cloning humans. I don't personally like that idea, do you?

	Incidentally, the Governator supports embryonic stem cell research.  
That *is* ironic, after he did that movie, I suppose.

>> 	Huckabee, so far as I can discern is relatively sensible, articulate
>> and stable. Show me where he's not.
>
> He's a christian.

	Yes, that's a good, rational reason to reject Huckabee. And what  
about Ron Paul? He's a Christian too, I do believe.

	-Tim



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