[CS-FSLUG] Disciples or Christians

[Keli of Coxsackie]

He brings up a GREAT point that I was wondering if everyone can say 
something about!

Does the Master want Disciples or Christians?
What is the difference?

Which one do you want to be?

Myself - I personally thought for 27 years that it was okay to be just a 
Christian then I discovered that
in the Great Commission that he wants Disciples and that requires obedience.
For the last 9 years I have strived hard to be a Disciple!
Not works salvation but works are necessary in the body.

I am with a community of believers that are disciples (and we do not 
refer to ourselves as Christians).
The term is often misused anyway - It used to be a derogatory name for 
the disciples.

later,
Michael Markuson (aka Keli)
Parchment Press
52 S River St
Coxsackie, NY 12051


Stephen J. McCracken wrote:
> Hi, Micah,
>
> It's nice to know you're still in the land of the living.
>
>   
>> I've been thinking a lot lately, having been rather disturbed at
>> modern trends in Christianity....
>>     
>
>   
>> In my opinion there are two primary reasons for this problem, with
>> perhaps many more side-reasons:
>> * Hypocrisy in the church
>> * Failure of Christians in knowing the reasons why the faith is
>> reasonable and understanding the full implications of the worldview in
>> light of the fact that it is indeed reasonable
>>     
>
> Personally, I think the first point is a result of the underlying cause.
>  I think it may have to do more with the lack of a true discipleship
> program for Christians.  This results in a superficial Christianity
> that, in turn, doesn't differentiate itself from the world that much.
> People don't see anything attractive in a superficial Christianity and
> so are leaving.  I guess this is more to say that I think there is more
> to lack of knowledge as a reason for what is happening that your second
> point implies.
>
>   
>> "Lay-people" in the church are rarely asked for ideas, in my
>> experience.  We just need more, new ways to make Christ shine in our
>> modern culture as an attractive alternative to secular humanism.
>>
>> In light of that, one thing I plan to do Very Soon is set up a wiki
>> for the express purpose of getting Christians together to brainstorm
>> ministry ideas.  I plan for it to be a private wiki -- i.e. no open
>> Internet registration....
>>     
>
> This will lock some out.  I would at least put a contact point for an
> "application" somewhere more open to draw others in.  I guess this also
> implies a mechanism to verify who gets in and who doesn't.  Private
> implies closed and one thing you are trying to combat is the un-ability
> for some to be involved in the discussion (e.g. "lay people").
>
> If you don't have a good way to verify who people are that are going to
> be involved, I doubt the usefulness of a closed board to allow more open
> discussion.  If I can't verify with a great amount of certainty the
> intentions and such of the people applying to get in on the discussion,
> I don't see that I would be sharing more sensitive information than I
> would on an almost open board.
>   
>> Would you all be interested in giving some design advice for this?  I
>> plan to use TWiki, but could possibly be open to other ideas.  Twiki
>> is organized by "webs" and pages.
>>     
>
> It depends on how you want to organize it, but Twiki has a limit of two
> levels in the tree:  The Web and a Topic.  If you want more levels, you
> need to look for other than Twiki.  I did a search once and came up with
> a couple of options that allowed more depth than two levels to the tree,
> but I can't remember the options right now.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> sjm
>
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