[CS-FSLUG] PD: Re: Christians taking action...

[Jim Isbell, W5JAI]

I know several WM employees and they are quite happy with their jobs.

Competition is what a free market place is all about.

Democracy needs a free market place or it becomes dictatorship.

Union breakers have to first have a union and so far no union.

Unions are socialistic in concept to begin with.  No offence, if that
is what you want, but it didnt seem to work in the biggest such
experiment so far.

On 8/19/06, Timothy Butler <tbutler at ofb.biz> wrote:
> > There are unions in this country and they have tried uncucessfully to
> > unionise walmart for years.  Gee, I wonder why???  Could it be that
> > their, supposedly trampled on employees are satisfied with the status
> > quo?
>
>         It's called "union breakers."
>
>         (Although admittedly -- and I mean no offense to anyone who works at
> Wal-Mart -- but the quality of help at Wal-Mart is rather low.)
>
> >
> > When a mom and pop grocery, the only one we had in town, goes out of
> > bussiness because WalMart brought in reasonably priced groceries like
> > the city folks get normaly,  12,000 people benifit and TWO (2) lose.
>
>
>         Hardly. Wal-Mart prices things lower because by themselves they
> transact about 10% of the U.S.'s business with China and trade enough
> to have a larger "GNP" than many countries. Wal-Mart can force prices
> lower, hence kill off the jobs of thousands, lowering market choice
> and promoting the sale of goods from countries (like China) that
> abuse human rights.
>
>         Consider this: in many cities, such as my own St. Louis, there are
> various grocery chains. We have two mid-sized chains based here with
> union help (Schnucks, the larger, might be known to some of you since
> it is growing into a regional chain). They pay $15+ an hour plus
> benefits. Wal-Mart, on the other hand, pays something not too far
> from minimum wage and offers no benefits to many of its employees.
> This shows: when I go into the traditional grocery stores, I get
> quality help that knows what they are doing. I appreciate the quality
> products and selection too. But, many people care more about the
> price, and so these stores that provide a decent wage are being
> forced to go more to part time help and many are closing.
>
>         People do not appreciate quality nor do they worry about what they
> are doing to workers salaries. People ignore that Wal-Mart often
> builds in places with the sole purpose of killing off the competition
> before closing their store knowing that people will now have no
> choice but to drive farther to the *next* Wal-Mart. Wal-Mart is big
> enough that normal market forces have a hard time stopping it, just
> as the case is with Microsoft. Wal-Mart is subsidized in its actions
> by the fact that Medicaid exists and thus people receive some kind of
> healthcare despite Wal-Mart -- *we* pay for Wal-Mart's actions
> through higher taxes... I'd rather just pay a store that gives the
> employees benefits and takes the workers off the state rolls.
>
>
>         It hurts us all in the long run.
>
>         Consider this opposed to Costco, Wal-Mart's opposition in the
> wholesaler market (Wal-Mart owns Sam's). Their CEO takes only
> somewhere about 4x more in salary than that of a forklift driver. The
> said drivers can hope to earn beyond $40,000/year and benefits.
> Costco in turn gets loyal, helpful employees that make the customer
> experience much better. Nevertheless, many don't care about customer
> experience. They'd rather go to Wal-Mart, where the employees are
> treated like dirt and save an extra $.50.
>
>         I don't boycott Wal-Mart, but I do give my business to other, better
> companies most of the time.
>
>
>         -Tim
>
>
>
>
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> tbutler at ofb.biz   | sure,  however,  that when they are together en
> timothybutler.us  | famille they play Mozart."
>                                                        -- Karl Barth
>
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Jim Isbell
"If you are not living on the edge, well then,
you are just taking up too much space."