[CS-FSLUG] Still a "cult leader"

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I've always found GNOME powerful enough for my needs, but I run at
command-line most of the time anyway.  GNOME has always seemed more
stable and responsive than KDE.

On 8/7/06, Nathan T. <celerate at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 8/6/06, Timothy Butler <tbutler at ofb.biz> wrote:
> [snip]
> > SUSE never seemed that slow to me,
> > other than YaST, which was extremely slow since it insisted on
> > running a bunch of completely unrelated configuration scripts
> > whenever one changed anything.
>
> I've always found it slower than Windows XP to be honest, and on my
> laptop with a 1.5 GHz celeron processor and 256 MB of ram it's just
> intolerable, the one time Windows runs circles around Linux. I'm
> particularly disappointed that they're investing in so much .net, the
> last thing Linux needs now is to make the same mistake as Microsoft:
> investing in slow interpreted languages that are more suited to
> servers than desktops and workstations. The benchmarks aren't honest,
> very fast hardware might generate benchmarks that show it catching up
> to C and C++, but as you go down to what is average hardware today the
> speed difference becomes very noticeable and painful, and the older
> the hardware gets the slower Java and .net get exponentially. Beagle
> itself should not exist, it's way too slow.
>
> >       Ubuntu seems to me to be the best of the bunch at the moment,
> > offering a distro that follows GNOME's aesthetically pleasing simple
> > and clean ideology combined with the beauty of Debian. It also is the
> > closest in design, IMO, to Mac OS X, which is the goal *nix should
> > aim for, IMO.
>
> Tim, I apologize now for what I'm going to say, I don't think anyone
> who's fond of Gnome is going to like it.
>
> "I personally just encourage people to switch to KDE.
>
> This "users are idiots, and are confused by functionality" mentality
> of Gnome is a disease. If you think your users are idiots, only idiots
> will use it. I don't use Gnome, because in striving to be simple, it
> has long since reached the point where it simply doesn't do what I
> need it to do.
>
> Please, just tell people to use KDE."
> - Linux Torvalds, 2005, http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Linus_Torvalds
>
> I've had plenty of opportunities to get acquainted with Gnome while
> keeping dad's computer going, and I've only gotten to find it more and
> more irritating in the way it "retards" the user interface. I think
> people pick Gnome for the same reason they would otherwise pick
> Windows over Linux, Gnome isn't better, it's just that they'll take
> what's easiest or most familiar over what is better. To be blunt: I
> think people are using Gnome because it caters to their unwillingness
> to actually learn how to use software, that detracts greatly from the
> software and it alienates power users. I think calling Gnome retarded
> is accurate, the software is artificially held back to cater to people
> who would rather die a horrible death than read a manual or quick
> orientation guide.
>
> What bothers me the most about Gnome thought is that bero is making a
> convincing case that there is a lot of underhanded warfare going on,
> and I could easily believe it considering the current state of
> affairs. If you're interested in that you'd best contact him yourself,
> I don't want to misquote him. Let me know if you're interested in his
> e-mail address, I don't know if he'll talk about it though, committing
> to saying anything bad about Gnome tends to get people shunned these
> days, and he's got a whole Linux distribution riding on his
> reputation.
>
> I'll be upfront right now and say that Gnome is destroying Linux as I
> know it, I believe Gnome is gradually destroying all the good design
> decisions and the power of Linux in order to make their own OS X
> clone, only simpler (ie: less powerful). I wouldn't care what happens
> to Linux, except that KDE is also being damaged by all this, and some
> of it actually comes from loose nuts in the project who think the best
> thing to do is simply go along with Gnome.
>
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