[CS-FSLUG] PD: THE EU VOTE....GOOD article.

[Aaron Lehmann]

Then don't read them.  They're fairly obviouly of interest to some of
the list members.  It's pretty arrogant to go into a crowded room and
start yelling, "Shut up!  I don't like the conversation!"

Aaron Lehmann

On Sat, Jun 04, 2005 at 03:03:59PM -0500, Christopher Rose wrote:
> I see the EU as an extension of the UN and the UN as evil. With this being the case, I prefer not to see too many posts about them (one or two every now and then, but please lets keep them low).
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Eduardo Sanchez" <lists at sombragris.org>
> To: raphink at gmail.com, "A Christian virtual Free Software and Linux Users Group." <Christiansource at ofb.biz>
> Subject: [CS-FSLUG] PD: THE EU VOTE....GOOD article.
> Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 14:54:42 +0000
> 
> > 
> > On Saturday 04 June 2005 10:41, Raphaël Pinson wrote:
> > >
> > > Although Turkey is composed of a huge population of Muslim, I find it
> > > the funniest thing to say things like "Turkey doesn't have Christian
> > > roots as we do". Remind me where were the first Christian communities
> > > founded? Ephesia, Phillipa, Corinthia ... where is this now ? Did
> > > Paul ever evangelise France or the Netherlands (France was a Roman
> > > province too at the time, since 52 BC). Most politicians who blame
> > > Turkey for not being Christian are not Christian themselves, just
> > > like GWB who talks so more about Christianity is not a Christian imo.
> > > Often in history non-christians try to *control* Christians by making
> > > them think they are focused on their interests...
> > 
> > Interesting commentary that of yours, Raphaël, and certainly gets us a
> > different perspective than that of the news agencies (not necessarily
> > those of the US only; here in Paraguay the same stuff was parroted over
> > and over).
> > 
> > About Turkey, I heard that the big issue is not that of religion; Turkey
> > is a very secular country after all. The big issue, I think, is
> > Turkey's poor human rights and freedoms record, which runs counter to
> > Europe's glorious tradition in that regard. Right now, Turks get
> > furious when the Orthodox Patriarch of Constantinople is called
> > "Ecumenical Patriarch", and this fellow still is unable to re-open a
> > theological seminary in his homeland.
> > 
> > >
> > > > And then, there is the reality of ethnic ghettos, the
> > > > well-known case of the  assassination of a prominent politician in
> > > > Holland by a radical Islamic Muslim, a general increase in the
> > > > crime rates, a failure of the immigrants to inter-marry and adopt
> > > > the culture of their new environment, and the intense competition
> > > > for jobs.
> > >
> > > Ghetto is a term that fits the american reality, not the european
> > > one. We don't have ghettos, as in black people somewhere, arabic
> > > elsewhere, latinos in a third place, etc. We have rich and poor
> > > places for sure, but it's not as harsh a separation as in the US.
> > > Intense competition for jobs ... LOL ... France had muslims come here
> > > years ago to help us for the war, when some muslim countries were
> > > still part of our country. They fought in our army, and now we would
> > > consider they steal our jobs? One has to be really bad to think this
> > > way, when these people didn't ask to come.
> > >
> > 
> > Perhaps you don't know one, but that doesn't mean they don't exist. You
> > can get into those even in Berlin and Madrid (I know that firsthand, I
> > have some in-laws living as immigrants in some of these).
> > 
> > >
> > > Is this really a question ? Honestly the american "democracy" is so
> > > shocking for us that we don't wonder anymore if Europe is more
> > > democratic than the US...
> > >
> > 
> > Come on, Raphaël, you're alluding to differences both political and
> > cultural. Don't accuse one government of being more "democratic" than
> > the other. Different shades of gray ...
> > 
> > >
> > > Sorry for all this, but I couldn't let such a false info go on...
> > >
> > 
> > No problem; only that it was one opinion against another, not "a false
> > info" against a true one... and I respect a lot what you have to say.
> > 
> > Blessings,
> > 
> > 
> > Eduardo
> > 
> > --
> > Prof. Eduardo Sanchez
> > Asuncion, Paraguay, South America
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> >    Silver without;    Peep'd into the shell,
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> > 
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> > 
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