[CS-FSLUG] Federal Marriage Amendment Struck Down for Today

Fri Jul 16 06:52:09 CDT 2004

Interesting Revisionist History? Gee, given that technically there is NO SUCH THING AS SEPERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE, I don't see what you mean. Yes, the statement "Congress shall make no law abiding religion", yet that is merely saying that Congress can not establish a national church. If there were truly such a thing as seperation of church and state, then you and I who attend church and profess the christian faith would have NO RIGHT to vote. Admittedly, I am being technical. In practicallity, I am uncertain how such a thing would be enforced. Look at it this way, the man in the pulpit and the man in the pew both have a right to vote and tell the government what they want done. The government, conversely, can not tell the church what to do or say. That is what that means. Otherwise, well, just think about it.

In Christ,

Christopher

P.S. I have studied this quite a bit I would recommend for further reading "God and the Constitution". Quite eye opening.

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From: Ralph De Witt <ralphdewitt at charter.net>
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 03:07:08 -0500
To: "A Christian virtual Free Software and Linux Users Group." <Christiansource at ofb.biz>
Subject: Re: [CS-FSLUG] Federal Marriage Amendment Struck Down for Today

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> On Thursday 15 July 2004 11:03 pm, Christopher Rose wrote:
> > This goes one step further. Our nation was founded upon BIBLICAL values.
> > Indeed, the Declaration of Independence cites not less than twenty three
> > scriptural violations by the so-called king of england. Furthermore, the
> > continental congress prayed for three hours before each session. So for our
> > present so-called government  to fail to pass the amendment mean that they
> > have turned their back on the US Constitution and the Declaration of
> > Independence. In essense, they have denied the foundation of this country.
> > It makes me almost regret being born in the US.
> >
> > In Christ,
> >
> > Christopher
> >
> > P.S. I did say almost. I am prayful that America might repent.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Robert W." <robertwo at access-4-free.com>
> > Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 22:29:22 -0500
> > To: Christiansource at ofb.biz
> > Subject: Re: [CS-FSLUG] Federal Marriage Amendment Struck Down for Today
> >
> > > On 07/15/2004 09:41:28 PM, Clawman wrote:
> > > > Here is my understanding,
> > > >
> > > >> Here's my view of this issue.  The Defense of Marriage Act of 1996
> > > >> has
> > > >> already defined marriage at the federal level as between a man and a
> > > >> woman.  However, if a court may rule at a whim that such a law
> > > >> (federal
> > > >> or state) is unconstitutional, that can only be remedied by a
> > > >> constitutional amendment.  Some would say that government should not
> > > >> interfere with marriage, but here the line between the "sacred" and
> > > >> the
> > > >> "secular" is blurred.  Marriage is foundational to society itself,
> > > >> and a
> > > >> redefinition of marriage will necessarily redefine the traditional
> > > >> family structure.  If we decide that it does not matter who raises a
> > > >> child, where will we end up?
> > > >
> > > > For some on this list, it is obviously not understood that the
> > > > government has been
> > > > in the marriage business for quite some time.  In order to get
> > > > legally married there
> > > > are things that you must do.  These thing include registering and
> > > > receiving government
> > > > approval (a license).  There are restrictions on marriage already
> > > > too, like no close
> > > > relatives and no polygamy.  These are mainly biblically based, and
> > > > they keep our
> > > > society from turning into an Arab one (if anyone has spent some time
> > > > in a country
> > > > under Islamic law, they'll know what I mean).  These laws were
> > > > designed by God and
> > > > interpreted by man to protect the family and for the betterment and
> > > > preservation of
> > > > society (man has never been perfect at passing on God's laws).
> > >
> > > Well said.  God instituted such laws in Israel.  See Leviticus chapters
> > > 18 and 20.  The proscribed punishment is death.  And it's not just
> > > homosexuality, but adultery and other forms of sexual perversion.  In
> > > my opinion, it is not a question of whether we accept homosexuals but
> > > whether we accept sin.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Robert W.
> > > robertwo at access-4-free.com
> > >
> > > And the LORD said... "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I
> > > will have compassion on whom I will have compassion." -- Exodus 33:19b
> > >
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> Christopher:
> Interesting revisionest twist to the history and founding of our Great Nation. 
> Our Great Nation was founded by the Puritans, who fled Europe seeking 
> religious freedom. When the colonies final broke from England, the founding 
> Father's, granted all the freedom of religious worship (that is the right to 
> worship God as they saw fit). The founding Father's acknowledged the 
> importance that God and Religion played in there lives and the life of the 
> nation. But they clearly spelled out that while the constitution was founded 
> on religious principles of their day, that there was a clear separation of 
> Religion from Government. You know that pesky separation of Church and State 
> thing, that forbids prayer in school and sees backhoes ripping out Granite 
> statues of the Ten Commandments from Court Houses and Crosses removed from 
> public land and seals. To ensure the primary freedom granted by the 
> constitution (religious freedom), the founding fathers, put a clear 
> separation between the governance of the people and religion.
> As thoughtfully written as our Constitution is, it has been amendend from time 
> to time to add new freedoms. It has never been used to restrict or remove a 
> freedom. Without a clear separation of Church and State, religious freedom 
> would soon disappear from this Great Nation, One Nation under God.
> - -- 
> 	Yours,
> 	Ralph.
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