[CS-FSLUG] PD: Rick Warren: Opposed to gay marriage, not gay partnerships
Ed Hurst
ehurst at soulkiln.org
Mon Dec 29 08:21:05 CST 2008
Jon Glass wrote:
> I think the problem we face in the Christian community, is that we
> tend to want to blame exclusively the sinner for his sin, so we tend
> to ignore and downplay the macrocosmic factors.
If I may, I would suggest this overlaps heavily the question of cultural
influence. In my mind, one of our biggest mistakes is thinking secular
law can work the righteousness of God. We want to enforce our views on a
world which neither knows nor cares about God. I would counter
government and law have no business in licensing marriage in the first
place. I assert there is a significant difference between social issues
and law issues. We have enough cultural rot to let law swallow social
issues. This is not the biblical way of doing things.
Indeed, there are a whole slew of confusions between grace and law, and
their proper spheres of application. Some of this question confuses
secular law, social stability and faith -- these are different things.
Faith should affect the other two, but not in the way commonly believed
by far too many American Christians.
I don't like a government that allows or promotes homosexual unions on a
par with heterosexual unions, but I have come to expect it from our
nation as we decline into God's wrath reserved for nations which don't
obey His outline for how secular governments are to behave. Secular law
here is vastly different from what God expects. In the broad view of
history, our government is hardly unique among others. So I am not
really interested in the legal question. I worry about the social
implications, but I have serious doubts there is room left to resolve
that problem before God's wrath falls.
What's left is my faith declaration, which should not be subject to the
other two areas. As others have said, you and I sin every day. Sin is
awful and we struggle against it until the day He calls us home. How we
struggle against it makes a huge difference.
Rick Warren's own writing makes it clear there is no spirit realm, no
such thing as genuine spiritual union with Christ. He pays lip service
to them, but makes his entire religion ordinary human social conduct
completely within reach of those spiritual dead. He paints Bible verses
on top of self-help psychology. His brand of conversion is mere
psychology, bereft of the miracle of God's grace. Yet he sometimes
manages to say things I agree with, but that could be said of some truly
awful figures in history.
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Ed Hurst
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